Bajrang Dal’s head talks to Tehelka.com. Some excerpts

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main40.asp?filename=hub081108Muslims_widen.asp

What is it you are alleging Muslims and Christians are doing in India?


It is in front of you to see! Under whose shelter are the terrorists in India operating today? Who were the Muslims who gave patronage to the terrorists in Batla House (in Jamia Nagar, New Delhi)? They are not from Pakistan or Bangladesh, they are people born out of this very land. You tell me, why can’t the Muslims of this country forge a collective forum and speak against terrorism? Who is planting Pakistan’s flags on Kashmiri soil? During the Amarnath yatra issue, who were the people shouting, “Jo Bharat ka yaar hai, samjho woh gadaar hai” (Those who befriend India are traitors)? Who are advocating allegiance to Pakistan? Even if the Kashmiris were upset with the Jammu road blockade – I don’t concede it was a blockade – but if they felt it was one, why not march towards Delhi, why march towards Muzzafarabad? I believe Muslims have to come out and take on these questions frontally. Until they do, this question will remain in people’s minds: true, not all Muslims are terrorists, but why are all terrorists Muslim? Read the India Today story where three terrorists were interviewed. Hear the Sahara TV interview with Abu Bashr and note all their talk of jihad. Why do Muslims feel they have to stake all of India and the world with Islam’s flag before they can rest in peace? They have to give up this way of thinking. As Hindus, we tolerate everything. But you tell me, where in the Bible is it written – “Sarve bhavantu sukhinaha” – The universe should be happy. The Bible divides the whole world into believers and non-believers. So does the Koran. But not our shastras.

(Good one)

If that is the case, why do you want to change this tolerance among Hindus?
Who is trying to change it? I am saying they can be happy here because Hindus tolerate everything. But they don’t want peaceful coexistence, they want to instate Islamic rule. That is why their community rises up to defend terrorists like they have in Azamgarh and Batla House. See, Hindus believe god can have any name, and the paths to god can vary. We have 32 crore gods and goddesses; it won’t hurt us if one more Mohammaden or Christian is added to the ranks. So what difficulty do Indian Muslims have in saying they are “Mohammamed panthi Hindus” or Indian Christians have in saying they are “Christ-believing Hindus”? After all, this is a Hindu nationality.

You just said another path to god should not bother Hindus. Converting is an act of choice, Christians aren’t forcing it.


Choice? How can there be choice where there is deceit. And, of course, there is force. You tell me, what is so special about Christianity that the entire Hindu population of a district will convert to it? The proof is in your face. When Gujarat, MP, Orissa and Rajasthan brought in the Anti-Conversion Bill, why was there such uproar among Christians? If you are not robbing, why should you fear a law against robbery? People call us communal; it is the Christians who have communalised education, not us. 95 percent of Hindus pay fees and study in missionary schools, but just because the management was Christian, they closed schools across the country to protest the incidents in Kandhamal! Did they ask whether Hindu students wanted that protest?

Maybe that is because recently it has been proved that too many innocent Muslims are being falsely arrested. But let’s get back to your ideal society. Does it have any place for people of other faith?


I have already told you — we want a society in which everyone is prosperous. Our chant is, may the righteous prevail, may the unrighteous be destroyed. What is the anti-Muslim sentiment in this? Are we saying Muslims or Christians should be destroyed? We are only saying all traitors should be destroyed. Those who live on this land and kick its womb, those who live on this land and praise Sadaam Hussein –


You brought up Kashmiri Muslims leaning towards Pakistan, but that has a complex history. Why mix Indian Muslims with Kashmiris?

It is not at all a separate issue. When the Amarnath land transfer issue came up, did any influential maulvi or Muslim leader issue a statement saying this pilgrimage is a centuries-old tradition going on from a pre-Islamic time, so what is the problem if a mere 100 acres of land is given for two months to build temporary constructions that will make the yatra smoother? And this is not new. In 1996, terrorists had threatened to stop the yatra itself. It is because of the Bajrang Dal’s determination that 50,000 Bajrangis went for the yatra despite that.


But it is local Muslims who help the yatra as well.

What helping! It’s just a source of income for them. If there was no yatra, they would have no income. (Don’t mind me shouting – I am from the Bajrang Dal, so my voice automatically becomes loud.)

(LOL)

Your action-reaction theory has no end. By that logic, the Muslim girl eve-teased on the platform can excuse the burning of the Sabarmati. And if Muslim radicals are behind the blasts, one can excuse it by saying they are reacting to the Babri Masjid demolition, and Bombay 1992 and Gujarat 2002 riots.
There is a big and fundamental difference between action-reaction at a personal, local level and one that seeks revenge at a national level. If in reaction to what happened in Gujarat, Muslims want to create Islamic rule at a national level, there is a huge difference in the two reactions. The karsevaks were returning home, some locals burnt them, the reaction happened locally. If in revenge you use Pakistani money and guns, there is a huge difference.

You spoke with pride about our 32 crore gods and myriad ways of life.
No, no, it is because of conversations like this that our families and values are breaking down. Elopements are on the rise. Licentiousness has never been tolerated in our culture and this holds true for men and women. You talk of Valentine’s Day – do we have to import a foreign concept to teach ourselves how to love? There is love and love and only love everywhere in this country. Mother’s Day! Father’s Day! Are we going to learn how to love our parents from a culture that dumps its parents in old people’s homes?

(What happened to famed Hindu tolerance here??)

Let us move away from specific incidents. Which three or four big issues would you pick which, if addressed, would create peace in your eyes?
There is the Ram Janmabhoomi, Krishna Janmabhoomi and Kashi Vishwanath issue. There was a lot of discussion with the Muslims over this. They should have understood then that no Indian Muslims have come from outside of this soil. Several generations back, everybody’s ancestors were Hindu. So Ram cannot be compared with Babur; Krishna and Shiv cannot be compared with Aurangzeb. I think the Muslims squandered a big opportunity to create an atmosphere of goodwill at that time. If they had compromised over these three things, many issues today would have lost their teeth. Of course, we can still discuss things, but do any maulvis have the guts to come out and say vande mataram is not idol worship, merely an invocation to this land, Bharatmata? Do they have the guts to say, what is the need for Islamist jihad? Do they have the guts to say, everyone should respect the Indian flag unequivocally, especially Kashmir which enjoys special status under Article 370? We are ready to meet them halfway. I am ready to invite them to offer namaaz in the most holy temple of India. Our Ram or Krishna will not mind. But do they have the guts to invite us to read the Hanuman Chalisa alongside them reading the namaaz in any of their mosques? Where is the fight? Let them widen their hearts, our hearts are not small.

(Still stuck in old temples, cow issues? Grow up)


What are your other issues?
They must not challenge India’s sovereignity. They are welcome to pray and live in any way, but why must Indian Muslims take their directional cues from Arab countries? If Hindus live in America and look towards India for their cues, I will deem that wrong as well. If they are citizens of that country, they must abide by the norms of that country. Why do they revere Osama and Sadaam? Why was the ruling on Shah Bano subverted? All encounters are probed as a matter of routine to find out if the police made a mistake, what was the need to make Batla House a pilgrimage spot?

(Exactly)

For decades India has been facing the scourge of terrorism, but so far, it was limited to either North-East, J&K; and Punjab. Though bomb blasts happened in Bombay , rest of India has been insulated from its effects. But the recent series of bomb blasts in Gujarat, UP, Maharashtra etc. has finally shaken up the establishment and ordinary people (a bit).

For a long time, every terror incident was blamed on ISI and its agents in India. But interestingly in this case, no govt. security agency has accused any foreign intelligence agency openly like they did in the past. This time terrorists belonging to SIMI (now Indian Mujahideen) are the prime suspects.

There are many voices among the “secular & liberal” sections claiming that these bombings are not acts of terror but response of disgruntled muslims against “atrocities and discrimination” against the community. Intellectuals in many newspapers and TV channels routinely talk for hours spreading this propaganda.
Two of the apprehended suspects found many supporters, most prominent being VC of the state-funded Islamic university where they studied. He claimed that he’ll hire lawyers (paid by university/government funds of course) to defend them.
Similarly instead of showing any appreciation for personnel of security agency who already work with one hand tied behind their backs, liberals have been pointing fingers and accusing them of malpractices,fake encounters etc.
The thing that gets really annoying is when these anti-Indian terrorists (including Hurriyat in Kashmir) are being compared to freedom fighters of the Indian freedom struggle like Bhagat Singh, Gandhi, Subhash Chandra Bose and also with IRA of Ireland.

Its beyond any sane person’s comprehension, how can a guy who kills innocent civilian in the name of waging war against “oppression” can be compared with stalwarts of Indian freedom struggle.
Only motive of these terrorists is to spread fear, hate and insecurity among people by mindless acts of violence. How can bombing of a crowded market place which kills dozens of innocent people be ever justified? No matter what the cause.
Talking about revolutionary freedom fighters who used gun as a tool for their cause, for example Bhagat Singh, Chandrashekhar Azad, Rajguru , S.C. Bose etc, none of them ever killed any innocent. Their struggle was against imperial British empire. They never used terror tactics for intimidating authorities to give in to their demands. Their dream was of a nation free from oppression of a foreign colonial empire which treated them as cannon fodder and second class citizens.
What are these terrorists fighting for? Is it a form of protest against how Muslims are treated in India ? Even with examples like A.P.J.A. Kalam Azad, M.H.Ansari, Abdul Hamid, numerous sports persons, artists, etc. widely acclaimed and loved by all sections of society irrespective of their religion?

Some “intellectuals” had the balls to compare Kashmiri separatists with Gandhi. Its quite evident that they don’t know anything about either. These Kashmiri militants of Hurriyat, Gilani, Lone, Shah are openly pro-Pakistani and rabidly anything related to India. Still its the Indian government which is paying their bills.

Gandhi and his followers forsake their comfortable lives to wage a peaceful non-violent struggle against the British. They abandoned their government jobs, state funded educational institutions, boycotted anything British. Only time they had British government “facilities” was when they were in jail. Can these Kashmiri separatists do the same? If they draw parallels from Indian freedom struggle, they should stop accepting money from India, abandon all govt. jobs, seats in state funded schools and colleges, properties in
rest of India and start peaceful protests for “Azaad Kashmir”. While they’re at it, why not ask for independence of Pak Occupied Kashmir too? How many ethnic kashmiris are left there anyways?
They ethnically cleansed whole region of everybody except muslims, still fancy themselves as non-violent freedom fighters.

Gilani recently had another surgery in Delhi paid for by Indian tax payer. This expense running into lakhs for a guy who just 3 months ago burnt Indian flag and called for Kashmir’s merger with Pakistan.

This government refuses to increase salaries and pensions of security personnel who die everyday 1000s of kms away from their families, but has no qualms paying for every comfort and survival of the very people who are fighting against Indian state. Compare this to how their counterparts in Pakistan, China/Tibet, Chechenya, US , Israel are treated. Aerial bombings, shelling, commando raids, imprisonment and torture without any proof and much more. Glory to Indian democracy and secularism. :

Then there are some people who are comparing terror groups like LeT, HUJI, HM etc with Irish Republican Army of Ireland. Some of former IRA members are now prominent politicians in power. The most important fact that the “intellectuals” conveniently fail to mention is that after years of fruitless violence, IRA realised that dialogue is the only way out. They lay down their arms, engaged British in talks and negotiated a solution that was acceptable to everyone.
Compared to IRA, these fanatic Islamic terrorists wage war only for on cause, their narrow minded version of Islam. and this war is not limited to one region only. Its spread all over the world.

Response of ordinary Muslims to these events has been very curious. We often hear this lines, “Islam is a peaceful religion, a person who kills cannot be a muslim”. That can be believed while, but now its becoming only a cliche with no meaning. Most people now interpret this line as “A person is a muslim freedom fighter till he is fighting for Islam, but ceases to be so when he is caught/killed”.

One day we hear some news reporting that a Muslim organisation condemned all acts of terrorism. Next day we see some Imam protesting against arrest of some suspects and almost threatening the whole country with dire consequences if they are not released. This brings nothing but confusion in the minds of people. Its common knowledge that Indian police isn’t the best and there are many areas where they need improvement, but bullshit like this is totally uncalled for. If engaged in debate many Muslims get defensive and try to justify the actions of terrorists. If this is how educated Muslims think, its scary to even think about the condition of uneducated, poor ones.
Indians are living in absolute denial about the threat they are facing. Its time that we wake up and stop this policy of appeasement. People who kill innocent civilians are terrorists and deserved to be treated as such. There is a limit to which you care for human rights of a terrorist who has no respect for basic rights of others

Following conversations are the ones I find slightly amusing  when I look back on them now. A friend gave me the idea to  write them all into a blog post.

To MJ:- I still have copyright  :p

1)

 

This incident happened yesterday I was troubleshooting some problem for my coal-league on phone..signal was low…so had to speak loud.. Went like
ME: Check the blue cable and its other end…where is it terminated?
How many ports..bla bla bla are u getting link?? bla bla bla

There was a girl nearby..listening to all this. As sooon as I stopped talking she turned to me

Girl: Are you an engine-ear?

Me:yes

Girl:Really?? In electronics?

Me:Yeah, sort of. A network engine-ear

Girl:Where?
Me: Working in a BSNL project
Girl:humm…tabhi yahaan mobile nahi chalte
Me: Main mobile mein nahi, broadband section mein hun.
Girl: Broadband kyaa??
Me: Internet.

Girl: yahaan internet kee speeed bhee barri kam hai

ME: alright

After sometime…

Girl: Can you tell me something..
Me: ???
Girl: agar maine ye check karnaa ho kee maine 2000 mein koun se site access kiye, to iske liye mujhe kyaa karnaa hogaa??
Me: [Mentally bangs head on the table] Aisa karna ummm possible nahin hai. You can check your internet history in your browser.. it depends on your settings.
Girl:noo..no.kyaa aap check kar sakte hain??
Me: bla bla
Girl: and ..and??
ME: Sighsss…launches into a lengthy explainashun
Girl: Geee..thats neat
Me: sure sure
Girl: am an scientist..i want to change the world i’ll make this city capital of India bla bla bla
Me:[[Tries to be polite..tries to not ignore..
after sometime tries to shut ears ]]
Girl: Bla bla bla bla bla bla

 

2)

 

This conversahun isnt berry phunny…but still now it happpens that a frand of mine owns a 80GB hard-disk while I had to manage witha 40GB one. Went on for some time. Then I upgraded my PC..160GB hdd Bumped into him after sometime and topic turned to that

Me: Ab mere paas 64 bit processor, 1 GB RAM, 160 GB HDD, nVidia graphics card hai.
Tere paas kya hai??

Frand: Mere paas german shepherd doggy hai.

Me: :|

3)

 

Karishma: oi, i donno two ppl who are postin currently in nkt, who’re they?
me: who 2? i dont know that guy with strange font either hes frand of shammo so is that girl anyways u didnt post
Karishma: i am postin honey i am hoe n distat echo
me: honey i am hoe—rotfl hes dhruv still rotfl
Karishma: home** sorry’s
me: < wait till i post this on nkot rolls lafing
Karishma: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

4)
This happened at a shop. There was a woman before me.

Woman: Bhaiya, 12 ande dena.
Me: [[Chuckles]]
Shopkeeper: um…acha [wry face]
Woman: [[Embarassed]] [[Clears throat]]
Me: [[trying to hide my grin]]

After the dealing was over..
shopkeeper to me (woman is still there) –Jee bhai..aapko kya chahiye
Me: ummmm ande??
Woman: [[grins]]
Shopkeeper: okaaaay

 

5)

 

I had a particularly annoying “coversation” with a BSNL dude who happened to be a kashmiri. I came out fuming started my rant against the whole bloody race with my colleague who happens to be a kashmiri too.

Me: ^%%%* &^^ kashmiri *&*&^&%&^ (&*^%@ Inkee (*((*(*& pataa kuch hai nahin ore faltoo mein sawaal poochenge *&$#!

Kashmiri Colg. : Oye, main bhee kashmiri hoon

Me: so…???

KC: umm..kuch nahin We came out of the exchange and bumped into our manager who just came out of a meeting with some more kashmiris who work for BSNL.

He is a kashmiri too.

KC: Sir, kyaa huaa?

Manager: ye **&@! kashmiri…!! 1 no. ke ^#@@ hain. akal hai hee nahin *&^% Ko.

KC: <>

Me:ROTFL

6)

 

An old relative talking to me. Went something like that After understanding that my work involves something to do with computers)
N: Can you repair computers??
Me: yes
N: Can you make computers too??
Me: uh, yes.
N: there was a guy. Lived in the next lane. Very intelligent, nice kind of person. He did engineering too and opened some shop. he sold and repaired computers
Me: (wondering–why is everyhing in past tense)
N: he died last week in some accidnet. it was so tragic
Me: uhh? oh yes. it is.

7)

 

This dude is actually a good frand of mine . He calls me one day

Bh : Oye, ye bataa Tragedy Office kanhaa hai??
Me: Tragedy office ????

Bh: हाँ हाँ. तेरे घर के साथ तो है. *** बैंक की बिल्डिंग के साथ

Me : Tragedy office ???? ये कौन सा नया department खुल गया?

Bh: अबे साले.. वो लाल रंग की बिल्डिंग जो है.

Me: (Pause) ट्रेजेडी के spelling बोल

Bh:खोता.. वही जो होता है.

Me: तेरा मतलब Treasury office तो नहीं है ??

Bh: जो मर्जी हो तेरे area में ही है ना??

Me: साले , TRAGEDY नहीं, TREASURY है .

Bh: जो भी है मेरे यहाँ, सारे यही बोलते हैं.

Me: aah.. i see.

 

8)

Read this banner some place couldnt help grinning like an idiot गोली लाठी चलायें गे राम सेतु बचाएं गे

9)

A Sikh guy who happens to be my colleague: (pointing to my overgrown hair) ओये, इस घोंसले में कितनी चिडिया रहती हैं?? हें हें हें हेंहें हेंहें हेंहें हें

Me : Duhhh

Him: तेरे सिर के बालों की बात कर रहां हूँ. ये क्या घोंसला बना कर रखा है ? हें हें हें हें हें हें हें हें हें हें

Me: कमीने, तू अपने सिर पर एक पक्का मकान बनाकर रख सकता है तो मेरे घोंसले से क्या तकलीफ हो रही है ?

 

Him: हें यें हें हें यें यें

10)

We were working in a telephone exchange. Loads of landline phones lying around. I ask  a coal-league to give me “his” mobile phone.

Me:अपना फ़ोन देना.

That dude picks up a landline and holds it out

Me: huh???

MS:पकढ़ ना !!

Me: ओये… मैंने तेरा फ़ोन मंगा है.

MS: मेरा फ़ोन??: ये मोबाइल होता है holding the landline) ओर ये फ़ोन तुझे जो चाहिए, वो बोल

Me: Deep Breaths. 1-2-4-9-6-8-3-……..

MS: (Smugly) समझ आया ??

Me: Grrrrrr

I noticed this “thing” sometime ago while exploring various features of google. A few days ago I came accross a guy on Orkut strongly arguing that homosexuality is unnatural, against islam bla bla. Now Pakistan is one of the biggest Muslim countries. Analysing what Islamic Pakis search for on internet is pretty amazing.
Following links show search patterns for certain search terms (related to sex) sorted by top countires. Inspite of all that fanatic talk about all sex except being a man and a woman being unislamic, it appears that Pakistanis are very adventurous and kinky whn it comes to searching for “deviant sex”. They top every list relating to bestiality, gay sex, incest etc. You name it and Pakistanis top it.

Click on following links to see yourselves. Pakis top everywhere except where its mentioned otheriwse.

man man sex
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=man%20man%20sex&cmpt;=q

goat sex
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=goat%20sex&cmpt;=q

donkey sex
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=donkey%20sex&cmpt;=q

elephant sex
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=elephant%20sex&cmpt;=q

monkey sex
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=monkey%20sex&cmpt;=q

boy boy sex (3rd place)
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=boy%20boy%20sex&cmpt;=q

cow sex
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=cow%20sex&cmpt;=q

bull sex
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=bull%20sex&cmpt;=q

donkey fuck
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=donkey%20fuck&cmpt;=q

man man fuck (Pakistan 2nd, Syria another islamic country 1st)
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=man%20man%20fuck&cmpt;=q

brother brother sex(Bangladesh 2nd)
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=brother%20brother%20sex&cmpt;=q

sister father sex
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=sister%20father%20sex&cmpt;=q

sister sex
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=sister%20sex&cmpt;=q

sister brother sex
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=sister%20brother%20sex&cmpt;=q

man…this is yuckkky. No wonder Pakistan is such a hell hole

AjayKK went one step further and dug out patterns based on cities. Rawalpindi tops.

Donkey -donkey sex
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=donkey%20sex&geo;=PK&cmpt;=q

man man sex
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=man%20man%20sex&geo;=PK&cmpt;=q

dog sex
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=dog%20sex&geo;=PK&cmpt;=q

The posts are copied from Bharat Rakshak Forums

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t;=4336

Its a “Consortium of Indian Defence Websites” with respected members from defence, services, journalists among other fields. In this thread they are discussing “The Fake Hindu Liberal”. Please read throught the posts. You’ll probably find them interesting
Click on link to read whole discussion

1.

Every self goal scored by a Hindu liberal trying to create equivalence where equivalence is non existent or incredible is a goal in favor of Hindu extremism. If Hindus who consider themselves moderate and secular also choose to be partial liars where they ignore one crime and talk of another crime – they and the people they support have it coming.

Let us see where the intelligence and rhetoric of the Hindu liberal takes him. The most pathetically contemptible aspect of the Hindu liberal is that his viewpoint could be respected if he just converts to another faith and argues or appeals as a Christian or Muslim.

But you won’t find Hindu liberals doing that . they remain Hindu and try to lie their way through. He thinks that his Hinduness will act as a balm and please non Hindus as an example of great secularism.

This is a joke that will end soon. The liberal will have to learn to face up to the truth and the truth is unless he can acknowledge that bigotry exists outside Hinduism in great doses, Hindus will will be quite happy to act like bigots because that is a reputation they already have – without anyone doing anything. Hindus lose nothing by being called bigots – they only need to add violence to their bigotry.

The Hindu liberal spends his life being apologetic to shake of the pre-existing reputation of bigotry that Hindus have and hastens to chasten Hindus who he sees as bigots by great sacrificial acts of self flagellation.
That defines the Hindu liberal

2.
the behavior of the Hindu liberal is the behavior of a person who has been taught that he is of an inferior civilization that is full of bigots who discriminate against their own in “a caste system”, who burn widows and do not have the egalitarianism of Islam.

he does not believe that his background is that bad and seeks to put on good behavior to prove that he’s a jolly good fellow – not a bigot and spends his life cricitcising Hindus whom he feels are causing the bad reputation that Hindus and Hinduism have been given.

The fact is that no amount of Hindu good behavior and apology is going to change anything because as long as the Hindu behaves it is business as usual for everyone else.

What is happening now is that Hindus other than self flagellating “liberal Hindus” are beginning to realise that they have been astounding jackasses and that nothing they do will ever give them a good reputation. they will always come under attack from Islamic, Christian and Liberal Hindu groups.

Once the Hindu realises this he is no longer anxious about being called a bigot. He is called bigot no matter what he does. Better to be that bigot rather than a lifelong apologist. It gets things done in a way that no other tactic can do

3.
A Brief History of Hindu Liberal

http://voiceofdharma.org/books/hibh/ch9.htm

It may be remembered that Pandit Nehru was by no means a unique character. Nor is Nehruism a unique phenomenon for that matter. Such weak minded persons and such subservient thought processes have been seen in all societies that have suffered the misfortune of being conquered and subjected to alien rule for some time. There are always people in all societies who confuse superiority of armed might with superiority of culture, who start despising themselves as belonging to an inferior breed and end by taking to the ways of the conqueror in order to regain self confidence, who begin finding faults with everything they have inherited from their forefathers, and who finally join hands with every force and factor which is out to subvert their ancestral society. Viewed in this perspective, Pandit Nehru was no more than a self alienated Hindu, and Nehruism is not much more than Hindubaiting born out of and sustained by a deep seated sense of inferiority vis a vis Islam, Christianity, and the modern West.

Muslim rule in medieval India had produced a whole class of such self alienated Hindus. They had interpreted the superiority of Muslim arms as symbolic of the superiority of Muslim culture. Over a period of time, they had come to think and behave like the conquerors and to look down upon their own people. They were most happy when employed in some Muslim establishment so that they might pass as members of the ruling elite. The only thing that could be said in their favour was that, for one reason or the other, they did not convert to Islam and merge themselves completely in Muslim society. But for the same reason, they had become Trojan horses of Islamic imperialism, and worked for pulling down the cultural defences of their own people.

4.
“Dhimmi-liberal” – the Hindu liberal

http://cybersurg.livejournal.com/

The Hindu liberal is a cowardly species who misuses existing Hindu liberalism to malign Hindus and avoids taking a stand on murder when it’s done in the name of Islam.

An English education in India teaches on the word “liberalism” but does not teach the liberalism that was represented by the word “Hindu” when it was coined by people who saw the peculiar life and practices of the populations living in the lands east of the Indus river.

Liberalism today can only exist in the space provided for it by conservatives. Liberals who push the envelope too far are rapidly taught how far they can go in every society except in Hindu society.

I believe Hinduism originally expanded into a mass of liberal practices until faced with religions that restricted the space that Hindu liberalism could act in. This gave birth to Hindu conservatism that is offended by the space taken up by liberals. But Hindu conservatism has still not learned the top most trick in the book – the Brahma-astra of all conservatism – the death sentence.

the death sentence is used well in Islam and serves as a beautiful barrier to prevent liberals from stepping on conservative space. Maybe Hindu society too will evolve the robust conservatism of the death sentence – difficult to tell.

But the reason why Hindu liberals are so lopsided in their views is because their Hinduness allows them to be critical of Hinduism without the conservative backlash that organized religions have developed from the start to keep people within the boundaries of a flock.

Picture 1 is the behavior of a true liberal. When faced with Hinduism he may have something to criticise and something to praise. Similarly, when faced with Islam, he may have something to criticise and something to praise.

Picture 2 shows the behavior of a dhimmi liberal. Fear of Islam (Fatwas, riots, a history of making and carrying out death sentences) makes him afraid of being critical of Islam

5.
One thing you will find is that world over, these liars always go after the majority religion. If it is Hinduism in India, it is Christianity in US. The reason for this is the simple 80-20 rule. You go after the 80% not the 20%. This also provides a convenient camouflage of being ‘pro-minority, progressive, liberal’ etc. though the main objective is to clear the ground, or ‘format the disk’ so they can install their virus much more easily.

But I have to say their tactics as well as strategies are failing in big ways. The pseudo-rational camp has failed in big ways. Good example again is TN today. After 40+ years of so called ‘rational’ rule (their rationality is a joke that is a subject of another thread) religion is so strong today as it has never been, certainly much stronger than these rowdies found it when they started their campaign.’

6.

The Hindu Fake-Liberal is a type of human found in abundance in India and other countries. The modern term, pseudo-liberal (or fake-liberal) refers to those who call themselves liberals but really are conservative. Pseudos pay superficial tribute to the liberal concepts that they in reality undermine. An example might be someone come by at an interfaith meeting and suggest, “your religion, with all these gods and goddesses, is so exotic! Must be exciting! “

A Hindu might (by mistake) take that to be a compliment; in reality the other person whilst not lying had chose not to use the word false, in a pseudo interfaith demonstration.

The Hindu Fake-Liberal operates in reverse gear. Instead of undermining the opponent, he undermines his own as an apologist for faults that lay elsewhere. He is the master of what is known here as self-goals.

In the old days, we saw such fake-liberals in movies, perhaps. “Welcome to my humble home, Mr. Smith,” then turn around and say, “Abe Raju, b*h*nch*d, khana jaldi laa too badzaat.” That was a kind of Hindu fake-liberal, because their openness extended only to the suck-madi.

But it is far more sinister today than this old-style sucker.

It turns out that modern day islamism is not just exposing islamists, it is exposing our own Fake-Liberals too. For example, he might say, it is not the poor muslim youth’s problem if they don’t have anything but bombs to play with or, maybe, I wouldn’t doubt that this was a setup by the Hindus to suppress the muslims. This is because the religion of peace must be respected and the lack of peace must be as much our fault. It takes two hands to clap, no? He will reason.

The fake-liberal’s realm of fakery isn’t restricted to Islam. Dhimmitude, self-alienation, and other traits are also seen.

The true Hindu-liberal on the other hand arises as Dharmic individual, which is the benchmark for a Hindu. Although the Hindu Fake-Liberal is best viewed as a religious condition, it really has spread its wings and has become a social condition. It threatens India.

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